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Labyrinth, in Perspective


Freddie became the second rap [act] in the publication’s 29 year history to grace the cover. The first were NWA in 1989.

Correction via my old fact checking team at XXL: The New Boyz and The Knux have both appeared on the cover of the LA Weekly within the last year. Remind me to never again cite Rap Radar as a credible source.

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84 Responses to “Labyrinth, in Perspective”

  1. DQ Says:

    Obligatory, huh. u sound a bit strained?

    Weiss musta forgot to @ you here.

    And I thought maybe you forgot to @ him here, but I guess now you hadn’t seen his piece at that stage.

    But most of all, Kno has a v. important correction here.

  2. quan Says:

    Well, that’s more of a reflection on the LA Weekly publication than it is on Weiss as a writer. And I guess my bad if this wasn’t a shot at Weiss. The “Passion of the weiss” tag suggests otherwise

  3. noz Says:

    “And I guess my bad if this wasn’t a shot at Weiss. The “Passion of the weiss” tag suggests otherwise”

    Jeff Weiss, of Passion of the Weiss Dot Com wrote the article.

  4. noz Says:

    “Obligatory, huh. u sound a bit strained?”

    Happy now?

  5. Chef Rae Says:

    Dope article. Thanks for pointing it out, Noz.

  6. MF POON Says:

    i need to listen to something by this guy, what should i start with
    from what i keep hearing he seems amazing, but i hope it isnt the real hip hop equivalent of drake hype

  7. Chef Rae Says:


    Dude, this is coming off like sour grapes and totally muddling any valid points you were trying to make.

  8. Chef Rae Says:

    @noz blogger, tell us more about the time an ACTUAL GANGSTA RAPPER validated your taste. the very taste you cribbed from http://www.cocaineblunts.com

    Dude, this is coming off like sour grapes and totally muddling any valid points you were trying to make.

  9. famzuns Says:

    nah thats not sour grapes that’s SHOTS FIRED!!

    go in

  10. mark p. Says:

    The fact that he is getting so much attention from everywhere, in addition to the fact that everyone I know who’s heard him thinks he’s the shit, makes me think that he actually has a pretty good chance of becoming a legitimate rap star.

    Considering that this article is written by the same guy that you “targeted” earlier, though, does this really say anything other than “Jeff Weiss has just enough pull at the LA weekly to get an artist that he REALLY likes on the cover”?

  11. Chef Rae Says:

    NYtimes must be stealing your shine too?


  12. MF POON Says:

    whattt alllbumm shouulldd IIII ggeeeettttttt?????????????/

    god dam all this hype and yall not even telling me which one i shud get?

  13. mark p. Says:

    MF POON:

    Midwestgangstaboxframecadillacmuzik or whatever. That was his last tape, and it rules. Available in DJ and NO DJ editions.

    All his other tapes have good stuff on ’em too but I liked “Live From Gary Indiana” (vol. 1) the most.

  14. mark p. Says:

    Noz gets pwned:

    “pliffffmonster says:
    Thursday, December 03 2009 at 11:19 PM EST

    dude this dude is so dope.. im form indiana and ive been a fan since the first mixtape.. i got like 94 songs by him and not just form that latest CD.. he is def. worth a purchase on a cd and willblow.. indiana on the map.. Give it for GI and 765 stand UP”

  15. MF POON Says:

    tiiiiiiight thanks these doods is kinda ridiculous
    yall so fuckn full of ur own blogs yall forgot about the music in the first place

  16. walkmasterflex Says:

    @MF Poon: midwestgangstaboxframecadillacmusik is my fav of his tapes this year, but Miseducation of Freddie Gibbs is also dope.

    also i guess we needed a rap beef since Jeezy and Gucci have squashed their beef. even if it is bloggers.

    Noz on an all shots extended weekend! Weiss spittin subliminals in his latest blog post! Could this be the East Coast/West Coast of the new millenium! Will Maynholup get shot in the leg by unknown white guys wearing thick black frames and bumping MF Doom from a Dodge Stratus after recording a diss track against Weiss at his college radio station in Minnesota?! STAY TUNED TO FIND OUT

  17. MF POON Says:


    i need a vacation from this blog shit, im gonna watch mtv jams

  18. DQ Says:

    “Happy now?”

    I thought it was pretty clear that i didn’t give a shit either way, just you know, sitting here eating popcorn. Since Gibbs isn’t actually wack, I don’t have much of a problem with Weiss writing him up for the LA Weekly, just like I didn’t have much of a problem with Breihan writing him up for Pitchfork. Good For Hip Hop, as Miss Info might tag it.

    “Weiss spittin subliminals”


  19. duncan Says:

    i always just assume noz is drunk

  20. MF POON Says:


  21. noz Says:

    Mark – I “targeted” no one. if and when i do, please believe that i will also pull that trigger.

  22. mark p. Says:

    That’s why “targeted” was in quotes homie.

  23. mark p. Says:

    I’m feeling this hip-hop blogger heel turn though (no sarcasm).

  24. quan Says:

    My bad, never noticed you had POTW as a tag before, thought this was a special instance. Still its a very weird thing to do, using a tag for response posts to another blog

  25. MF POON Says:

    id hate 2 be a hater noz, cuz i love ur website, but the biggest irony is that the site in which i finally found a download link for midwestdsaoind;asdandoawatevermuzik was actually on passion of the weiss blog

  26. DQ Says:

    irony u say



  27. bding7 Says:

    What Quan said. I don’t see what you’re so salty about in this case. Not that I understood you original point.

  28. DocZeus Says:


    Just saying.

  29. Shots fired, parts one and two « Ich Lüge Bullets Says:

    […] it’s back again. Weiss got Gibbs onto the cover of LA Weekly, Noz came back by namechecking that movie with David Bowie’s unit in and threw down on Twitter like […]

  30. emynd Says:

    It’s funny how personally everyone is taking this.

    I think we can simultaneously say “Wow, that’s dope that Gibbs is on the cover of the LA Weekly! Good for him!” and point out how ridiculous it is that Gibbs is the first gangsta rapper on the cover of the paper since NWA. I mean, isn’t that a shocking, salient fact to any of you? It’s great that a cogent, above average rapper like Gibbs is getting this “shine,” but it’s also patently ludicrous.

    Also, do any of you understand how these weeklies work? Check out your friendly neighborhood urban weekly and their music coverage–it is routinely horrible, often white-washed, and even more often entirely ineffective. The last “rapper” on the cover of one of the Philly alt-weeklies was Amanda Blank.

    I would absolutely love it if Freddie Gibbs became a household rap name and I would support each and every one of his releases with my money, but the point remains that while Gibbs is a good rapper, there are dozens of rappers out there who are of equal or greater “skill” that are as deserving of this same shine that Gibbs is currently getting.

    Criticizing rap journalists for latching onto Gibbs in lieu of the dozens of other skilled rappers (most of which are slightly more difficult to find) is totally legitimate as far as I’m concerned. And this Gibbs/NWA thing to me makes Noz’s point so blatantly clear.

    In all seriousness, good for Gibbs! I’m psyched for him… but I also hope he realizes all this press is “the hype machine” at its finest and we all know that this manufactured hype very rarely leads to successful rap acts in today’s music industry (i.e. C. Hamilton, Asher, Cool Kids, etc, etc).


  31. Still Syl Says:

    Above all, this isn’t about Gibbs, or Weiss, it’s about pointing out how pathetic the LA Weekly has become when it comes to music coverage. If you need to point out how pathetic Weiss’ writing is, just pull out the referred-to 1989 feature on NWA, written by Jonathan Gold.

  32. david Says:

    yall should team up and kill off nah right

  33. david Says:

    lol @ rap is no longer dangerous….time to find a new genre

  34. barns Says:

    opinions are like bootyholes

  35. Tray Says:

    “I think we can simultaneously say “Wow, that’s dope that Gibbs is on the cover of the LA Weekly! Good for him!” and point out how ridiculous it is that Gibbs is the first gangsta rapper on the cover of the paper since NWA. I mean, isn’t that a shocking, salient fact to any of you? It’s great that a cogent, above average rapper like Gibbs is getting this “shine,” but it’s also patently ludicrous.”

    Yes, exactly. He’s a very good rapper and it’s nice he’s getting the coverage, but it is a little wildly out of proportion. Which isn’t to say that he shouldn’t get as much attention as he has, he does deserve it, it’s just that there are many others who should get equal playtime.

  36. ANU Says:

    As always Emynd is one of the only who gets it.

  37. Detroit P Says:

    Yes, exactly. He’s a very good rapper and it’s nice he’s getting the coverage, but it is a little wildly out of proportion. Which isn’t to say that he shouldn’t get as much attention as he has, he does deserve it, it’s just that there are many others who should get equal playtime.
    I just had to say that that’s a stupid and petty argument…you’re basically saying all rappers of the same caliber of skill should get the exact same amount of praise, reception and exposure…next you’ll be saying everybody in the country should be making the same amount of money…fuckin commies…..Thats just not how the world works..get over it…trying to detract from rappers who actually get the shine they deserve doesn’t help your cause tho, it just makes you look crazy. Its like yall just found out that life isnt fair.

  38. MAYNHOLUP! Says:

    i don’t see anything wrong wit dis at all mayn. Gibbs is wun uv de 3 best rappers out righ now really, an iss nuttin wrong wit him getting some press about it. it duzzint seem ta be much mo complictaed den dat in my mind, am i missin sumthin here?

  39. emynd Says:


    Seriously folks, what’s being criticized is lazy rap journalism. The internet has given us unlimited access to so much music and yet journalists and bloggers are choosing to write and re-write about the same ol’ rappers that every other blog is writing about. I think it’s fair to criticize that unfortunate phenomenon.

    Anyway, long live Freddie Gibbs.


  40. Tray Says:

    “I just had to say that that’s a stupid and petty argument…you’re basically saying all rappers of the same caliber of skill should get the exact same amount of praise, reception and exposure…next you’ll be saying everybody in the country should be making the same amount of money…”

    I mean, I’m not saying it’s morally wrong or something that Gucci Mane has not received an LA Weekly cover and Gibbs has, or that they should get the exact same amount of exposure, but yeah, there should be some kind of rough proportion, don’t you think? Like you can just see the LA Weekly reader getting this insane misperception that Gibbs and whoever else their little hipster weekly deigns to cover (Ghostface, I imagine) are the only important things to happen in rap in the past 5 years – to quote the man himself, “Gibbs and Pill are arguably the first gangsta rappers to come up in [Big and Pac’s] wake to offer a new prototype” (if Wayne isn’t offering a new prototype, what does that make him – 2004-09’s Ja Rule?) when come on, this is a guy who’s very good but hardly transformative and who very few people are actually listening to. As a matter of journalism, isn’t there actually an imperative, if you’re going to report on music at all, to inform the readers of LA Weekly of someone like Gucci Mane, since he is incredibly relevant and someone who they should know about, and someone who they probably don’t know about? It just seems really presumptuous and culturally imperialist to do a cover article on a rapper once every 20 years. And of course when you read the article, it’s one of these “let’s think of bullshit excuses for why my favorite artist can’t get a deal or sell records” pieces. The new one apparently is that the rappers du jour are ultrasensitive types with unabashedly pop instincts like Drake and Kid Cudi. Well gee, last time I checked Wayne sells records, Rick Ross sells records, Jeezy sells records, Gucci Mane is about to sell records, The Game still manages to peddle his free-associative gangsta namedrops, Jadakiss actually sold records this year – not sure why but he did. And these are all what, non-ultrasensitive gangsta rappers (except for Game obviously). Then someone will say, well they’re still more pop than him, there’s no room for the non-kingpin, blue-collar gangsta rapper. Well when has that ever sold? Bone Thugs? They could sing. The market for great non-pop rapping about the trials and tribulations of some ordinary guy from Gary, Indiana is always going to be a small one. And that’s unfortunate, but I am tired of the whole “all the popular commercial rap is BAD, let me introduce you to my secret pet rapper no one’s ever heard of who’s GOOD, isn’t it a crying shame that the EVIL label execs only like that BAD rap and will not sign my GOOD pet rapper” modality.

  41. noz Says:

    “As always Emynd is one of the only who gets it.”

    And Tray, oddly enough.

  42. david Says:

    Tray killed it w/ that post

  43. realness Says:

    How is Gibbs some ordinary guy from Gary, Indiana…How is this hype fake when hes gotten critical acclaim across the board. Is it bad that good music that can get hype now? Would you prefer it be some wack motherfucker on the cover?

  44. DQ Says:

    ‘”As a matter of journalism, isn’t there actually an imperative, if you’re going to report on music at all, to inform the readers of LA Weekly of someone like Gucci Mane”

    This is pretty convincing. But then you’re talking about reportage over editorial, journalism over criticism. At some point, the Weekly readers or editor will ask about the music. Is “well, he’s got a new album coming out and u know there’s a couple jams on there, but also some bullshit hooks featured guests etc. i wouldn’t really rep for it hard” an acceptable response or a demonstration of a lack of a working knowledge of the No Limit catalogue? If it’s the former, then the response will be, “then why should we care?” If the latter, then should the Weekly hire an LA-based Guccimaniac? or a “cultural commentator” hack who can serve up a thousand word thinkpiece on anything on deadline? If you don’t ride for Rick Ross, Jeezy and Gucci, does it follow that that’s a firing offense? You should certainly give them the same listening attention as you do someone like Gibbs, but is that the same thing as being bound to write about them.

    Meanwhile more subliminals as #allshots weekend continues.

    I guess the irony is that this is prompted by a “street-minded” act getting shine, almost as if that shine should be subtracted and everybody stay in their perceived lanes rather than any other outcome.

  45. david Says:

    i love how its a ‘guccimaniac’ who would cover gucci, while regular old rap critics would cover freddie gibbs

    who is the niche artist here?? seriously

    forget rick ross jeezy and gucci (who, btw, wouldnt have even been included in that company a year ago when i wrote about him) — what about yo gotti, lil boosie, z-ro, jacka, etc etc etc?

    & its not even about kissing gucci’s ass, its about covering him in a way that is truthful, which most critics havent done whatsoever

  46. Detroit P Says:


    Ohhhhhhhh……Okay….I gotchu…..I can agree with that….I retract the dismissive tone of my previous comment…Idk about rappers getting proportionate coverage outside of the niche channels that are dedicated to rap, I just dont see how thats possible….But I agree with the notion of it…but I guess part of your argument is that even the niche channels dedicated to rap arent covering artists proportionately…which could be connected to the difference of interest in certain rappers over others, but I guess these same rap “channels” have something to do with that because they ignore, overlook and brush-off rappers and then turn around and give more face time to the rappers already being talked about(hopefully all of this doesnt sound like rambling)….good point@you, noz and Emynd

  47. peanut Says:

    this is so painfully childish and stupid. noz has really jumped the shark lately.

  48. walkmasterflex Says:

    Damn Tray makes up for all his bullshit with a surprisingly thought out comment.

    T think what the point being made here by Emynd and Tray is important: this is not shitting on Freddie Gibbs’ obviously great talent. He’s a damn good rapper, and he brings something to the table that I don’t think we’ve seen in rap in a minute. What’s being discussed is the way he’s being covered. And another point of importance I think worth discussing is the venue in which Gibbs and others are being championed.

    From what I can understand, LA Weekly is an alternative weekly newspaper. Alternative weeklies are typically hipster hotbeds, at least in my opinion and history with them. I think we’d be remiss from looking at all the shine that Gibbs has been getting recently from other publications with an indie/hipster slant, like Fader and Pitchfork as well. Conversely, as far as I can tell (and someone correct me if I’m wrong, since I hardly ever read real rap-based publications anymore), Gibbs (and Pill, and all the rappers out of Huntsville) has been getting a comparatively low amount of coverage from the core of rap journalism, the Sources and XXLs of the world. So what we’ve got here is an interesting dynamic: some great, legitimately “street-minded” rappers being championed from a fringe element that historically doesn’t have much effect on how rappers are marketed or how they become well known. As a total industry outsider, I have no idea if this is some important movement or if it’s really a movement at all. But that’s certainly how it’s appearing to me.

    Way back in like January of last year, Noz and I got into a little debate in the comments section of CB here about the merits of hipster love and support to acts like Gibbs, in regards to G-Side’s Starshipz and Rocketz album. At the time I was debating that “any audience is a good audience”, and that hipsters were just another audience. Over the year, I’ve come to agree with Noz’s point of view that “hipster love is fleeting”. I think what we’ve got now, or are in danger of having, is a false base of hype and support for legitimately worthwhile artists like Gibbs or Pill or the Huntsville guys. What happens when the bottom drops out, when these so-called “fans” move on to the next trend? What’s in danger of happening, I feel, is artists engaging in a renaissance of mid-90s rap styles like all these guys are doing are eventually just going to be swept under the rug like so many rap trends in the last few years that have run through the Faderati. Except instead of guys like Cam’ron or Ghostface or Clipse, who started off with both feet firmly in the gutter before being slowly rejected by the star-systems of major label rap for politics or whatever and were subsequently embraced by the hipsters and indie kids who were slow on the uptake, we’ve got that circle championing guys like Gibbs, guys who never had a chance to really experience that shine before being dropped by a major label. They’re nobodies to the Hot 97s of the world. So I’m worried that these guys are all going to be considered the hot shit of the moment before being lost into the tubes of the internet because of this terrible reverse hype-cycle they’re caught up in. Which is a damn shame because guys like G-Side have shown the potential for dudes trapped in this cycle to make incredibly great chunks of music, either in album of song form that should be appreciated for what it is, not what movement it may (or may not) represent. The music may be lost in the hype, unfortunately.

    Shit that ramble was out of control

  49. Giraffo Says:

    The real problem isn’t that hipster types/bloggers are up on the best new rap music out. It’s that the mainstream rap mags aren’t doing their jobs. Has there ever been a time when so much new good to great rap music as we have now is not covered by the mainstream rap mags? Their “freshman” coverage has a 40% quality ratio at best.

  50. DQ Says:

    “i love how its a ‘guccimaniac’ who would cover gucci, while regular old rap critics would cover freddie gibbs”

    If you don’t wanna/are incapable of responding to what i actually write, surely shutting up is a more honorable option than making up nonsense to get indignant about.

  51. DQ Says:

    I’m not clear on how that coverage hurt Cam’ron or Ghostface or Clipse. Did they sell less records? Did it alienate what should have been their proper fanbase? Did they misdirect their promotional energies?

    Nothing is stopping XXL and the Source from covering these acts except ppl playing their positions right now. But haven’t those pubs fallen off with new york in any case? It’s more like a position that G-Side and Gibbs should go back and build a fanbase in Huntsville & Gary and wait for the Ozone or Murderdog coverage that will make them Outkast or Tech N9ne. Which is fantasy.

  52. Chef Rae Says:

    Via Twitter

    FreddieGibbs: Just did an interview wit @HipHopDX

    That you, Noz?

  53. walkmasterflex Says:

    nah that coverage didn’t hurt any of those artists, in fact it probably helped in keeping them all in the collective consciousness instead of fading into total obscurity. but all those artists had already built up a pretty defined fanbase, so they were able to weather the hit that inevitably happens when people move on from that trend. like shit who do you think bought copies of “crime pays”? dipset stopped being cool to hipsters in like 2006.

    what i’m saying is that artists like gibbs are being puffed up as being the Next Big Thing, and who knows they might be, but by a historically shifty fanbase. if it falls out these dudes might slip off into obscurity.

    and by the way i’m not arguing against the existence of these blogs or writers like SFJ or Weiss or anything. they do have a part to play. and it’s not all on them: major market rap magazines have really dropped the ball on their coverage of a lot of artists, which is why i stopped reading them. they’re painfully out of touch 90% of the time. but i’m just saying hype from that part of the internet really ought to be taken with a grain of salt. more of these rappers really need to try to follow the Gucci model by creating an organic fan base and building their buzz from their, or at least by pulling those fans up with them (like i think G-Side needs to do…), instead of letting that buzz exist in an imaginary place like the internet.

  54. markmar Says:

    “As always Emynd is the only one who gets it”

    Or he’s just a Noz groupie. Pretty sure Noz is able defend himself.

  55. david Says:

    see the problem is looking at it like “xxl should be covering this” — yah they should, & they should have covered gucci before they did too. the model of successful rap is to force media to come to u with your success — whether thru hits, moving huges numbers of mixtapes, regional club play, whatever

  56. david Says:

    i dont mean that artists shouldnt approach critics of course — but they should realize like walkmaster is saying that critics are only a piece & have a real distorted view of shit sometimes

  57. Johan Says:

    I’m confused, am I supposed to be mad that Gibbs is getting attention because Gucci isn’t, or am I supposed to be mad that the media is all fucked up right now?

  58. Giraffo Says:

    Sure. How does artists like Pill, Gibbs or G-Side build what you would call a true fanbase, then, in today’s climate?

  59. Giraffo Says:

    Sorry about that typo. How do these artists build a proper fanbase in todays climate? God knows Block Beattaz have produced their share of classic beats over the past three or four years. Yet I don’t see major names knocking down their door. Is moving to Atlanta really the only way to be heard for an artist these days unless you want to be an internet phenomenon? Is it necessarily the only way to go about things?

    From my perspective, all these artists are involved in a grand experiment, since the major labels are fucking up on a grand scale, records aren’t selling and major mags aren’t writing about anything that isn’t already gold. It’s true hipsters are fickle, but rap fans in general are fickle, as any major artist who is now selling maximum 80k of an album can attest to. Gucci is locked in a 360 deal, for chrissakes. Pill, Gibbs and G-Side are trying to reinvent the game by entering into uncommon alliances. Where it will get them is difficult to say, but at least they’re trying something new.

  60. barns Says:

    “uncommon alliances”

    Isn’t that a different conversation? For sure, the internet has turned into a sort of 4th coast new playing field, and allowed for some great independent artists to get attention. But I don’t think that changes how we should judge a critic or journalist. There is an imperative to call out the fairies.

    My bad Tray for jacking “imperative”

  61. Giraffo Says:

    I’m all for judging bad critics and journalists, but this discussion isn’t merely about that.

  62. Johan Says:

    DJ Giraffo for the win. It would be great if Noz and his legion of defenders would stop pretending there is only about the point that was made in his mess of a post.

  63. Giraffo Says:

    I wouldn’t say it’s a mess of a post. But it raises some pretty difficult questions.

  64. emynd Says:

    Believe me, Noz and I disagree significantly more often than we agree. So I’m not defending Noz so much as I am bitching that rap “journalists” are all writing about the same bullshit, and doing so in pretty uninformed ways. Anyway, whatever. I really don’t understand why people are getting so emotional about this.


  65. david Says:

    yeah i mean to be clear, although i also think freddie gibbs is better than waka, i’m arguing this from an aesthetic perspective that im not sure noz has — i dont think gibbs is on some top-5 alive shit right now. he’s an artist im interested in hearing, whose work i check for, but so far hasnt dropped anything i think is ‘classic’ or really destroying the game …

    rap is about style as much as it is content (style is content etc) & im sorry but right now his style isnt particularly fresh to me — its ‘promising’ sure, & like i said im sympathetic to that aesthetic of rap music, in a huge way … but he hasnt proved himself to me yet. hes like royce in the early 00s to me right now, dropping some real hot tracks but also kind of a straitlaced style that is fairly derivative & is still developing.

    this shouldnt be read as ‘artistic’ advice or anything. im not firing shots @ artists. im just writing a critical response to their work.

    the most important goal for a critic is to be truthful in his writing, & i dont feel like critics are being truthful to the music that they’re hearing, i think they’re picking up on a desirable narrative & blowing it out of proportion here. in fact, its just as mean & harmful to the artist to not be truthful in a way that feels positive as it is to tear down an artist dishonestly in a negative way.

  66. DQ Says:

    That last graf is like the writers who say ppl like u rep gucci coz u know it’s a meal ticket. The response to Gibbs’ music has been just as obviously genuine as yours for gucci. I mean at least noz’s argument that weiss doesn’t fuck with street shit enough to make pronouncements on it, or the noz/walkmaster magical grassroots one for artists, have some basis somewhere.

  67. DQ Says:

    OK maybe not just as obvious, i mean they’re less prone to jumping into a convo like a zealous 14 yr old girl on some “whatchu say about me and my Gucci???!” but you get the point.

  68. mark p. Says:

    I was about to post what DQ just said, or at least the basic gist of it. People who like Gibbs seem to be genuinely enthusiastic about him, and many of those are people who have been buying regional gangsta rap mixtapes for about half of their life. I agree that saying Gibbs is some sort of important or revolutionary artist is absurd (it’d be like saying the same thing about Guily Simpson), but he’s an extraordinarily good fast-spitting gangsta. It’s obvious by this point that his street team’s novel approach to marketing a gangsta rapper in 2009 did play a huge part in the internet goin’ nutz, though.

    Also, if Gibbs is just being a southern/midwest rap revivalist when he pays tribute to his influences, why does no one think the same of Gucci when he writes a whole verse about his favorite rappers, past and present, or when he and his contemporaries remind you of southern rappers of the past (Kilo, Sammy Sam) that aren’t necessarily canonized in the same way that, say, Eightball & MJG are? Why is one a “rapper who’s a huge rap fan” and the other a “country rap revivalist who will probably only find a niche audience”?

    And if Gibbs’ Interscope album had come out, we might be having a totally different discussion about him, the way he came up, and the amount of regional support he has. Just saying.

  69. DQ Says:

    and it’s not like “Jeezy sent goons but the kid was strapped” isn’t a large part of the desirable narrative that built the buzz u use to free yrself from charges of cultural imperialism

  70. DQ Says:

    or similar, the murder charge in any case. posting while drunk heah. Anyway, so Worst Enemy is interesting and so is gibbs starting a story “It’s 1982, she gave birth to you and dropped outta college” and ending it fucked up after “You had a record deal so why you back to sellin’ crack?” Or triumphant “thought it was a joke but it was not so”. And giving away albums-as-mixtapes is interesting and so is variations on a theme that u can flood the streets with a la gucci. And if u weren’t talking about that shit that i can link to battle raps variations like jazz standards of diss or 1000 western showdowns, i.e. the core b-boy value of how u say it, and talking about color wheel raps linking to “More Colors” and “My Aura” and shit maybe i wouldn’t be bumping “Lemonade” every day since it leaked, and installing “Classical” as king in the pantheon of urban cod-opera above Dizzee Jamelia and World Famous Supreme Team (other submissions welcome!). so props to u. I LOVE U MAN. but soderbergs right about the album IMO.

    and like when Weiss or “the homie” Synth Gurgles Breihan, a dude who missed that “Cutcha Up” was a metaphor for a plant while dissing Devon for thin jokes, and who hadn’t heard Nation of Millions when “Show me What You Got” came out, when they write about Gibbs i’m like *kanye shrug* to any hate, coz it’s all good with me. props to him for doing ur job at a time when it wasn’t getting much more love on smoking section, noz “effortless” great street rap, and Garland than other things. So maybe lambo’s sis knows sfj, that’s still more flocka than phat, u no. hahaaha. like when u don’t feel Gibbs that much i just think u haven’t listened to the two tapes enough, does that sound familiar?

  71. DQ Says:

    and he spelled devin right so u know its all relative basically

  72. AK Says:

    I would like to add that the LA Weekly article is really goddamn badly written. Seriously, it’s embarrassing, the prose is completely childlike in construction except where the guy decides to throw in some phrases that he thinks might somehow sound like intelligent writing. Check it:

    “This is where Gibbs hustled in the aftermath of the crack-addled Reagan years, dope still ravaging the streets. The fantasia of childhood as idyllic dream factory seems absurd in this context.”

    Are you fucking kidding me? “The fantasia of childhood”? And the “Blah blah blah blah. This is where…” construction is played out like goddamn.

  73. DQ Says:


    The whole endorsement of his authenticity thing was unnecessary too, i mean jeezus.

  74. mark p. Says:

    I really didn’t like the article either. No need to spend the entire thing trying to convince the reader that he’s the real deal.

    “Watch those trains: This man has a reputation to uphold.”

  75. AK Says:

    Yeah, and why even bother? It’s not like I believe even for a goddamn second that Gibbs is or was serving as a pimp for as many women as he claims in certain songs, and I just don’t give a shit. Motherfucker could have spent his childhood years summering in the Hamptons as long as he keeps dropping shit like “County Bounce.”

    Shouldn’t we be done fetishizing poverty at this point?

  76. david Says:

    lol wtf gucci is a ‘meal ticket’?? someone tell me how i can get paid off of liking an artist

    this isnt about how genuine someone’s “love” for an artist is, its about honest criticism DQ — ive tried to entirely avoid hyperbole & was writing about dude in response to actual popularity, not on some kingmaking shit

  77. mark p. Says:


    “this isnt about how genuine someone’s “love” for an artist is”

    It kind of is though, isn’t it? I mean you specifically stated that you don’t think most of Gibbs’ supporters aren’t being honest with themselves about his music, which would mean that they aren’t as genuinely enthusiastic as you are about your favorite rappers. IIRC, people (not me) said the same thing when you guys did that long ass multi-part “30 best Gucci Mane songs of ’08” post on SMS. I remember at least a few comments saying that you were overthinking his music, seeing things that aren’t actually there, etc etc, which is obviously nonsense since no one would spend so much unpaid time writing about artists that they don’t genuinely enjoy or dislike. The stuff you said above was basically saying the same thing about Freddie Gibbs fans.

  78. AK Says:

    I think he’s saying the problem is that they’re being hyperbolic, that this is the same king-for-a-day hype-machine bullshit that we always see in hipster internet music criticism. Even if you really like something, discussing it intelligently and putting it in context is much better – both for the critic and the artist – than shouting “OMG BEST THING EVAR” until you come across a new toy and discard the old one.

  79. david Says:

    yah thats what im arguing — i mean, i remember specifically be very concerned about coming across as hyperbolic when i wrote the gucci piece for exactly this reason — which is why i wrote this: http://somanyshrimp.com/2009/02/09/a-quick-note-about-the-gucci-list/

  80. david Says:

    so weird to think of a time when no one was talking about him — never mind that this time was only 10 months ago

  81. AK Says:

    I like the phrase “iced-out albatross.” If I was a famous rapper, I would totally do that.

  82. MF POON Says:

    cool i didnt see those links

    maynholup makes the most sense out of all of these


  83. san Says:

    good hiphop

  84. Patty Says:

    I dunno how I got here googling David Bowie Labyrinth and cocaine… :??

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