Video: Jay-Z Meets Grizzly Bear
Here’s a very exclusive clip of Jay-Z at the Grizzly Bear after party. You know, hanging. He is a rapper but he actually indies all the time. Just like you, young person.
Here’s a very exclusive clip of Jay-Z at the Grizzly Bear after party. You know, hanging. He is a rapper but he actually indies all the time. Just like you, young person.
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August 31st, 2009 at 7:50 pm
He’s hip. He’s cool. He’s turning 40 this year…lol
August 31st, 2009 at 8:26 pm
NOZ since you put me on to the new boyz and that whole jerkin thang….have u heard they new song with tyga called cricketz i must admit the shit is pretty dope and dare i say it one of them(whichever one has the first verse) might actually be a decent rapper(just my opinion)
August 31st, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Always appreciate a KITH reference.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pm
buwahahaha… toronto’s finest numbskulls, one of those dudes took my friends sister to grad
August 31st, 2009 at 8:46 pm
LOLZ, you win the game of life for this one
August 31st, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I don’t think it’s an issue of age, cause Raekwon’s about to hit 40 too, and OB4CL2 is looking amazing. The problem is, Jay’s trying to be hip but the hip sound at this point just isn’t him, and he comes off looking like an old man who can’t keep up. Blueprint 3 is Jay-Z’s midlife crisis album.
August 31st, 2009 at 8:48 pm
i think the “blogosphere” is going a little too far with jay-z going to a concert in brooklyn.. dude IS Brooklyn and then you got all these ohio-born hipsters who now live in williamsburg like they own the damn place..i guess the moral of the story is it must suck to be famous and want to see a concert that is a different genre of your own..
August 31st, 2009 at 9:01 pm
ok for the record, just listen to 10 bricks and house of flying daggers and raes new shit is gonna be FUCKING CRAZY taking it back to the early wu sound and seriously jigga has been watered down for eons…
August 31st, 2009 at 9:22 pm
BP3 is offensive
August 31st, 2009 at 9:57 pm
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August 31st, 2009 at 10:27 pm
jayz has never been good
August 31st, 2009 at 10:46 pm
This is actually funny, but why another Jay Z post? He’s irrelevant, right?
How are you any different from the loser okayplayer or def jux fans fixated on Nelly (or ’00 Jay Z for that matter)?
August 31st, 2009 at 10:49 pm
benjy, your a genius
August 31st, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Reread that MTV post and tell me Jay isn’t worthy of derision. If that doesn’t work imagine any other 40 year old on the planet saying “I am getting into indie rock. The Grizzly Bears are going to move music forward.” I don’t think I need to explain this post any further.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:10 pm
jay jams les rallizes denudes i just know it
and holy shit this alphaville track haha
August 31st, 2009 at 11:11 pm
“This is actually funny, but why another Jay Z post? He’s irrelevant, right?”
Musically, yes. Though there’s been this tiny promotional campaign lately that you might have noticed. He’s only relevant in the sense that he has the money behind him to make him appear relevant. He’s too proud to relent in the face of irrelevance.
Sure a lot of casual/aging music listners are going to see BP3 on the racks at target and be like “I didn’t know Jay-Z had a new album” and throw it in their cart next to their tampons and frozen pizza, listen to it once or twice and be like “hmm yep hes still got it.” But he’s hardly dictating trends or making hits the way he used to be or the way he’d like to be. And he’s definitely not rapping very well.
“How are you any different from the loser okayplayer or def jux fans fixated on Nelly (or ‘00 Jay Z for that matter)?”
This might be the worst comparison ever made on the internet.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:16 pm
so is this just “Jay has shitty taste,” or it not being possible for rappers to like indie rock other than a misguided attempt to seem hip
August 31st, 2009 at 11:19 pm
The whole album just leaked. It’s mostly garbage aside from a couple good tracks, and a couple passable ones. I think the reason we’re still talking about it is because of how disappointing it is.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:23 pm
“so is this just “Jay has shitty taste,” or it not being possible for rappers to like indie rock other than a misguided attempt to seem hip”
What part of “I don’t need to explain this post any further” didn’t you understand?
But just in case here’s another hint: he defends the authenticity of his interest in “indie rock” with “I’ve always liked Lenny Kravitz and Coldplay!”
August 31st, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Please.
Replace the commercial rappers the okayplayers and def jukies defined their tastes against with whatever artists the nah right crowd thinks is “bringin NY/lyrical rap back” and it’s the same shit.
And look at the retards who have started commenting here. You don’t think that’s a coincidence, do you?
August 31st, 2009 at 11:42 pm
ayo mayn i got roped inta seein TV On De Radio wunce three years ago an dey sucked mayn fall back if u disagree. I wudda walked out durin de opening band, Grizzly Bear cept de gurl i wuz with wuz fine mayn nah mean. Dey wuz terrible mayn.
BP3 iz fuckin terrible mayn
August 31st, 2009 at 11:43 pm
@ Gordon. Bullshit. It’s not out of some righteous indignation or backpacker saving-the-culture shit that Jay is receiving criticism. It’s because he has shown his potential in the (recent) past, and now sounds lazy. He is catering to a wholly uninteresting hipster crowd, and it makes for unimpressive music.
August 31st, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Did you catch his interview with Bill Maher? WTF was that about? And Maher was practically jerking him off the whole interview! “Oh here, Mr. Jay Z, here’s a book of every rhyme you wrote that one of my interns copied from a lyrics website. It has a B on the cover for Brooklyn.”
But that interview was pretty awkward and Jay-Z failed miserably at being funny. Joke after joke was a miss with the crowd.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:05 am
“Replace the commercial rappers the okayplayers and def jukies defined their tastes against with whatever artists the nah right crowd thinks is “bringin NY/lyrical rap back” and it’s the same shit.”
Is this the part of the discussion where you tell me what I believe and what my motives are? Or is it the part where I rattle off a list of records I’ve supported recently that completely debunk your crackpot theories (and then you compare that to the “I have black friends” argument and call me a racist)? Do you have a copy of the script that I can borrow?
“And look at the retards who have started commenting here. ”
I am looking at one in particular.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:45 am
You can’t really be that dense.
You can’t think I’m arguing that you don’t like any NY true school rap or anything that nods to it. Haven’t I gone out of my way to say that’s not the case? It’s about your fixation on tearing down the fans/reach of this rap. The shit is childish and it’s ruining your writing.
About this post specifically–pretty much all rappers, even the ones who make good music, have horrible taste in rock (track down what rock artists Dre 3K and Face cite as influences). The only reason you’d do something this lazy would be to score points with your new gaggle of nutriders, who have nothing to contribute except that they resent the “traditional” NY canon.
And I never called you a racist; I said that you refuse to accept the borderline racist implications of some of your positions and preferences. Stop with the fucking straw men.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:21 am
You’re talking straw men when you know damn well this post has nothing to do with true school ny rap. Blueprint 3 is exactly the sort of album that true school rap fans would have despised ten years ago. Except with worse rapping. That any self identifying true school rap fan would support this crap is really a testament to how desolate that scene has gotten.
This post specifically is a response to one of the most ridiculous and pandering I HAVE INTERESTING MUSIC TASTE announcements I have ever read. Again, it isn’t about taste at all. It’s about how someone with 20+ years in the industry (two of which were spent running one of the biggest record labels in the world!) can have such a shallow grasp on popular music and yet speak so authoritatively on it. I mean he sincerely thinks “indie rock” is the next big thing and not an institutionalized genre that has existed concurrently with his entire career. And more than that, he swears up and down that he’s always appreciated this sort of thing because he knows the guy from coldplay. 1996 Jay-Z would not have checked for Pavement. He would have laughed in your face. And that’s not a bad thing at all, but let’s at least be honest about it.
There has been a running theme in my work about both hip hop artists and fans having a superficial and shallow interest in other genres of music. Too many kids think having adventurous taste involves listening to Portishead or getting into rock amounts to buying a Nirvana t-shirt. I remember clowning the shit out Andre on xxl when he announced (then quietly retracted) his plans to remake Kind Of Blue. That post was very similar in tone to this one.
Scarface is actually one of the few people I’ve talked to in this hip hop world (artists or otherwise) who genuinely has an in depth, across the board knowledge of music. When I interviewed him a few years ago we talked about Nine Inch Nails a little and he schooled me on Son House. I don’t personally agree with all of his taste (Counting Crows?! ugh) but I have to respect that his opinion is an informed one.
Jay’s taste is where he thinks the dollars are going to go. The guy made an album with Linkin Park. But he’s probably backing the wrong horse with INDIE ROCK.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:29 am
According to this amazon list Face also listens to thrash shit like Mercyful Fate and Sacred Reich.
There’s no accounting for taste, only motives. Right, Gordon?
September 1st, 2009 at 2:46 am
You’re talking straw men when you know damn well this post has nothing to do with true school ny rap
It does, actually.
As weird as it would have sounded in ’99, Jay and Nas are the ultimate symbols of true school NY rap for their dwindling older fanbases as well as the younger, “fuck you, old man” set.
The more you focus on the bad music Jay and Nas are making in their current late-era Ali forms, the more you twist the knife, the more you pander to motherfuckers who aren’t coming from a place of understanding, but from a place of contrarian know nothing resentment, and the more your writing suffers.
The states are littered with regional rap dead ends, where the scenes are hollow ruins of what they once were. There are hundreds of aging, stylistically irrelevant formerly great rappers. What distinguishes Jay from any of these other characters is not just media attention but the insistence of deluded/nostalgic (though numerous) fans who insist that he’s still got the game on lock.
About 10 years ago, I saw a show of some underground group I was amped to see (the group escapes me). Their entire first song revolved around dissing Puff, Nelly, Master P, and the like—all of whom I couldn’t fucking stand—and waiting for the backpack crowd to “ohhhhhh!” I left before the 2nd song.
Your writing is turning into the equivalent of this group’s song.
And I’m familiar with Face’s taste in rock.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:51 am
Bun B also has pretty decent taste in rock – Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Bad Brains, Black Flag, Metallica, Slayer, Faith No More – but i’m personally waiting for the day when a rapper namechecks The Stooges.
Anybody remember the time when Questlove was discussing D’Angelo’s 3rd album and compared the impact it would have to that esteemed Sex Pistols opus Never Mind The Bullocks?
September 1st, 2009 at 5:38 am
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September 1st, 2009 at 8:08 am
the whole rap/rock bridge was crossed years ago when afrika baambatta met malcom mclauren…go learn about it….these guys today are NOTHING NEW……
September 1st, 2009 at 8:09 am
well rap /rock/electro really
September 1st, 2009 at 8:15 am
“This post specifically is a response to one of the most ridiculous and pandering I HAVE INTERESTING MUSIC TASTE announcements I have ever read. Again, it isn’t about taste at all. It’s about how someone with 20+ years in the industry (two of which were spent running one of the biggest record labels in the world!) can have such a shallow grasp on popular music and yet speak so authoritatively on it. I mean he sincerely thinks “indie rock” is the next big thing and not an institutionalized genre that has existed concurrently with his entire career. And more than that, he swears up and down that he’s always appreciated this sort of thing because he knows the guy from coldplay. 1996 Jay-Z would not have checked for Pavement. He would have laughed in your face. And that’s not a bad thing at all, but let’s at least be honest about it. ”
I think your argumentation is sound, and funny for that matter. I remember when he stepped up on some stage and told “the whole world” that his favourite musician of all time was John Lennon. And in a way that it was clear that I somehow should be impressed by this.
contrary to your belief mr Gordon, that I should somehow see some sort of borderline racism in Noz opinions, I rather find one in Jay-z’s , which you defend. I find it degenerate of him to play on strings which is that he is somehow “closer” to me as a white university student because he publicly likes some Indie rock band , contrary to many of his fellow rappers.
Jay-z is, as Noz has previously stated, a highly intelligent man who have spent most of his career building a name and an image which is jay-z. This has been extremely successful, but the last couple of years it has become evident that he doesn’t master his trade anymore, which is evident both in these kind of publicity stunts and also, at least to me, in albums such as american gangster. I don’t want to hear talk about being a street dude and whatever from a multi-millionaire, who may or may not have sold some crack about 20-25 years ago.
My point being: if Trick Daddy says he likes P.O.D. or some shit band, its because Trick Daddy likes that shit band, so we can laugh at Trick’s taste but at him ,because we all have some foul shit in our closet. But when Jay-z does it I bet a million dollars he has an agenda with liking what he likes, because to me even MJ was more in touch with his “true” self, he at least had the decency to be fucked up after so many years in the limelight, Jay-Z on the other hand cannot conceive himself in any other way than as the “product” he created many years ago, a “product” which doesn’t have the power it once had, and now he is constantly looking to strengthen it in the eyes of the world in some form or fashion.
so Mr. gordon gartrelle, I think you shed some light in a matter which is interesting both to this topic and something which provokes any decent mind with a relationship to rap-music, but I think you’re in the wrong for conceiving Noz post as a manifestation of this kind of thinking. Then again I might be a little biased because I’ve never really liked Jay-Z (though it has nothing to do with the fact that he is “commercial).
September 1st, 2009 at 9:28 am
For those who are using this post to jump into the guitar rock that Face jams, I’d like to reiterate his stance in the reposted video, that the Van Halen cover of the Kinks’ “Where Have All the Good Times Gone” fucking jams.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:09 am
There is no racism in Noz’s post. Jay-Z is a has-been rapper who hasn’t had a decent release in a very long time. He is the same as other NY rappers Nas, Mobb Deep, etc. But what makes him worse is that he is trying to pander to the current scene amongst the dumb kids who will actually buy his album on iTunes. Sure it’s an easy target, but it has to be done, because at the end of the day, aren’t we all tired of Jay-Z? My roommates keep listening to DOA and that new single he has with Rihanna and Kanye so I might have it worse than all of you.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:26 am
mayn dis is gittin outta hand mayn. de new album sucks an mayn grizzly bear mayn not thowed at all. end uv story mayn
September 1st, 2009 at 11:15 am
Jay knows that in order to stay relevant he needs to be like-able. Going to Grizzly Bear concerts, not going at young’uns out of fear of being labelled a bully, these are all carefully orchestrated to big up his ‘nice guy’ image. A big brother as it were.
I guess the question of his sincerity is at issue. Are his insecurities leading him to making his decisions, because that would be sincere, or is he trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes. Don’t forget that this is the guy who stabbed someone for selling boots and has coldly left people in his camp behind for future solo success.
For me, he ain’t the poster boy for some kind of Native Tongues meets American Apparel hipsterism. He is aping guys like Cudi and Mickey Factz. A bunch of these cats do not have albums out. A sad irony that Jay is following the sheep that have been building their careers on Jays own success’. But fuck it, I’ll still like a few tracks of BP3.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:16 am
“Blueprint 3 is Jay-Z’s midlife crisis album.”
Madonna had a mid-life crisis album. Where a 40-year-old lady tried to keep up with the trends of an unforgivably youth-infused electronic/euro pop/dance scene. It was one of her best albums, even if you knew she was trying to be hip. If she can do it and not suck, so can Jay-Z. They’re on the same level.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:16 am
But obviously, Jay-Z has chosen not to.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:17 am
Oh, and while everyone is wondering why Jay is catching so much flak, He did not have to name this album BP3. Only a guy as arrogant as Jay could think that he could re-create the magic of 9 years ago. Is it weird that Brooklyn We Go Hard is the best track out of all of these sessions.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Man, did Jay fuck ya’ll’s mama or something?
If you don’t like his music, fine. Move the fuck on. Posting on some corny cracker’s internet site (who couldn’t even get an interview with Jay on his worst day) bitching about what concerts he goes to and what music he listens to is beyond lame.
What he eat don’t make y’all shit.
P.S. Checking your archives, Andrew, if Boosie and Gucci are the kind of stuff that supposed to be GOOD in your world, I’ll take washed up Jay anytime. Thanks.
P.S.S. And Andrew despite your delusional self-belief you are not a journalist, you’re a bottom feeding bootlegger with shitty taste and an even worse complexion. Mayn. Have a nice day.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:35 pm
“de new album sucks an mayn grizzly bear mayn not thowed at all. end uv story mayn”
Bless this man. Err, mayn. This is pretty much the alpha and omega of this particular story.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Hi Jack, thanks for your interest in the site. My complexion is fantastic and I think you mean P.P.S., not P.S.S.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Can the Jay-Z posts be put to rest if only because they bring the stupid out of the woodwork?
September 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
*eats lunch*
this shit was fucking HILARIOUS! I mean its HIS (noz) site and you dont like what he is saying, just go fucking read something else! Ugh I can’t stand pussy cry baby niggas. Don’t forget to tuck in your tampon string bitch! It is WAY much more to think about than trying to defend a rapper who wouldn’t even look at you walking down the street.
That nigga Jay is washed the fuck up like his boring ass wife. CLINGING on to relevancy (HAHAHA) you’re tine is up bitch nigga! Meanwhile, KRS and Buckshot (from Black Moon) is coming out with a album and I can’t wait to get on that joint.
If Jay (and wife) didn’t sell out to CORPORATE WHITE SUITS, then the ppl who listened to them in the 90s will still be around and support what they put out. THEY SUCK MAYNE. They think they can put out ANY ol bullshit (not even hungry anymore) and think dumb asses will eat it up (and some do). So basically Jay is catering to the hipster crowd because niggas in the hood ain’t spending money/downloading. Uh uh nigga that’s the first sign when a artist COMPROMISE and change their style for monetary reasons. FAKE AS HELL
and what is up with the rock references? If you jam other genres; fine (I do) but I don’t brag or try to force it on ppl like this ugly nigga does.
No wonder Bey can’t suck her own husband’s meat; some lame niggas STILL on it and shit is mediocre AT BEST. Even Kanye/Timbo couldn’t even save that pile of shit.
Noz, keep writing what the fuck you wanna write, but I have to agree that Gucci aint all that (like you hype him) but to each of his own this is YOUR website so you tell them niggas to kiss your white ass if they don’t like it; simple as that or start your own music blog.
:D good thread niggas and shout out to Maynholup!!!!
-thehoustongirl
Another gimmick this nigga is doing; he is trying to follow that Kanye forumla with catering to the hipster crowd. That shit can’t work Mr. former drug dealer (supposedly).
September 1st, 2009 at 2:01 pm
“Can the Jay-Z posts be put to rest if only because they bring the stupid out of the woodwork?”
Agreed. But this quote from thehoustongirl (not to suggest she’s stupid, at all):
“Don’t forget to tuck in your tampon string bitch!”
wins.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Jay needs less Beyonce in his life.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:59 pm
http://s4.tinypic.com/dyvhoi_th.jpg
That’s all.
September 1st, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I think everyone needs to realize the word “hipster” doesn’t mean anything anymore. If you’re under 35 you’re a hipster by one qualification or another. It’s not a demographic.
September 1st, 2009 at 4:46 pm
“If you’re under 35 you’re a hipster by one qualification or another.”
Completely untrue. You need to leave whatever city you live in more often.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:34 pm
yo noz and mayne… fuck all these soft bitches…
September 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pm
OB4CLII is the best thing since sliced bread. Just felt like saying that.
September 1st, 2009 at 6:10 pm
To grow old gracefully in rap is hard enough, but doing it while being rich and having had extreme success seems nearly impossible.
September 1st, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Kids in the Hall and Cocaine Blunts!!
I think I just creamed my panties.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:17 pm
interesting to read all this back and forth.. but i believe jay was just going to a concert on a sunday with his wife and sister in law.. i guess we can all read into it and question his motives, but i saw it as just that.. i dont listen to indie rock but if my wife and friend were going to a concert on a sunday and i didnt have shit else to do i would go to just for the atmosphere and drinks. real talk. i guess you see it differently noz, and its your site so i respect your opinion.
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:45 pm
@ Mike
For the record, that venue only allows booze in the beer tent, and the VIP area, so at the area by the soundboard, he couldn’t be drinking at (public park land).
Also, for whatever the BrooklynVegan comment section is worth (very little, admittedly), multiple people claim he parked in the VIP section, but then made a point of walking the 3/4 of a block to the regular joe entrance, thus making as big of a scene as possible. Not exactly a regular Sunday at the park, as far as I can tell (sadly, he didn’t attend the Lightning Bolt concert a mile away, or I could’ve given a more detailed read).
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:26 pm
“sadly, he didn’t attend the Lightning Bolt concert a mile away, or I could’ve given a more detailed read.”
I want to hear Jay’s take on Lightning Bolt.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I posted this on twitter but I’m putting it here too:
Not to dwell on Grizzly Jay much longer, but compare his mtv convo to this Michael McDonald Grizzly Bear post. http://tinyurl.com/m3nk9e MM shows a concern for both todays music & how it interrelates with the past, discusses changing trends in sonics from doobies to punk to gb Jay doesn’t consider sound, only impact, he’s clueless to the past and looking at the future as only a business opportunity.
But maybe McDonald is just a better interview than Jay? Or Paste has better interviewers?
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I mean I’m not expecting Jay to know everything about music but if that’s the case he could discuss it with more humility. Look at khujo in my willie iszterview http://tinyurl.com/ncxvxp he thinks bjork is D-JORK. Which is as funny as comparing GB to Kravitz. But they approach it differently. Khujo totally defers to JJ’s knowledge. He is trying to learn. Jay is simply asserting trends.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
“Anybody remember the time when Questlove was discussing D’Angelo’s 3rd album and compared the impact it would have to that esteemed Sex Pistols opus Never Mind The Bullocks?”
Questlove has always struck me as a musical knowledge sleight of hand dude. Don’t get me wrong, the guy clearly knows his way around the Prince/Motown/JBs catalogs, but beyond those and a few other specific touchtones he seems to be riding on the same sort of obviousfringe artists that everyone else is. Radiohead, etc. I remember reading an okayplayer thread where he had just discovered Pet Sounds and thinking it was odd that such a self proclaimed major record collector and vocal advocate of quote-unquote forward thinking music production would only have been exposed to that album in his late 30s. That’s a painter being like “Oh I’ve never heard of this Mona Lisa.” Or when he was jocking Death a few months ago, parroting the pretty trumped up claim that they were the FIRST PUNK BAND, it seemed pretty apparent that dude had never listened to punk beyond Bad Brains and maybe a few obvious Ramones/Clash/Pistols records. Then again I’m anal about this stuff, having purposely avoided writing about genres other than hip hop because I don’t think I know them well enough to comment authoritatively.
September 4th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Jigga on Lightening Bolt would be priceless , yes. haha. I like the other interviews you posted as well.
September 5th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
bwahahahaha
i love KITH
more than cocaine blunts :(
September 7th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I understand that Paste is a polite, beard-y magazine, so maybe they didn’t want to explicitly state it, but I’m sort of surprised that, in that interview, they didn’t place this collaboration within the larger context of his history with vastly superior bands like Steely Dan, who borrowed him as a mere instrument.
September 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
(regarding Michael McDonald, I mean)
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November 9th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Jay-z how hip can you be at his age! I couldnt imagine having a dad like him :)