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No Rules In War

Rap battles are usually built on myths, the most vicious barbs tread closer to fiction than reality. Like Pac’s probably imaginary affair with Faith, for example. But once in a while on record beef can get particularly personal. Here are a couple such instances.

Kingpin Skinny Pimp & 211 – “Lil Arm Dance

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from Controversy (Underground, 2000)
T-Rock – “My Little Arm

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from The Myth Of Reality (Secret Service, 2003)

DJ Paul of Three 6 Mafia was born with an atrophied right arm. This is one of those hip hop facts that most listeners are aware of, but still seems to shock someone every time it comes up in conversation. Paul has rarely, if ever, gone on record on the topic and, in fact, seems to go to some lengths to conceal it with braces and loose fitting, long sleeved outerwear and such. Really, you’d think he’d be more open about it. His success despite this disability is pretty damn impressive, especially given his history a party DJ. Dude must have been the Jim Abbott of the turntables. Obviously though, the tiny arm is something of an achilles heel to diss hungry rivals, specifically scorned one time Hypnotized Minds affiliates. Skinny Pimp even turned it into a dance.

Mac Dre f/ Coolio – “Cold Cold Capper (Little Bitch)

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unreleased (199?)

At the height of the Hillside/Crestside Vallejo beef (which we will discuss at length one day), Mac Dre and E-40′s cousin Little Bruce were throwing some serious barbs at each other on the underground tip. On this eight minute freestyle Dre and Coolio (Da Unda Dogg, not the other one, of course) threaten to beat up on Bruce’s wheelchair bound mother and and clown him for being half Korean (making the somewhat geographically awry suggestion that his deadbeat father met his Korean mother in the Vietnamese war). “I’ll talk bad about everything you love,” indeed. Bruce couldn’t have taken it too personally though, as years later he would sign to Dre’s Thizz Ent. label.

Jay-Z “Super Ugly

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from Super Ugly 12″ (White Label, 2002)

The obvious choice in controversial diss records, Jay’s post-”Ether” second round self knock out mostly addressed Nas’ baby mother turned professional groupie Carmen Bryant, who Jay too had allegedly had relations with. Popular opinion was that Jay had went too far, with Jay’s own mom even calling into Hot 97 and lecturing him for taking it too far. He later apologized for the record. Which is stupid. The record is called “Super Ugly,” after all, it’s not like he didn’t realize he was crossing a line. But this is a rap battle. If you left condoms on your opponents baby seat then say something. All that you-know-what-about-you-know-who talk on “Takeover” was far too merciful, to be honest and it still stands as maybe the greatest diss records of all time. Jay won. Carmen aside, shit like “open beer bottles off the boys chipped tooth” tops all the cookie cutter homophobia of “Ether” on any day and Jay was still tearing him up on “Blueprint 2.” The outcome of the most significant rap battle of all time shouldn’t hinge on an ethical technicality.

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32 Responses to “No Rules In War”

  1. booise & paris hilton a carmel sundae Says:

    “Jay won.”

    Yes indeed.

    Too bad half of the clowns on the internet too obsessed with the (non existent) integrity of their last (not even) relevant link to the “golden age” think that calling someone a fag, saying he has big lips, and paying homage to a dead rapper who didn’t like either of them to begin with equates to a victory.

  2. 2lettaz Says:

    Jus cuz a nigga wear a cufy it don’t mean that bright. Cuz u can’t understand him it don’t mean that he nice. U jus can’t understand all tha bullshit that he writes.

    We don’t agree on all things hip hop but u right jay did kill him…

  3. Taliban Says:

    Cuz you got the arm of a barbie doll…

  4. Tray Says:

    He was still tearing him up on Blueprint 2? He makes many perfectly good, if uninteresting points, the sorts of things you read about Nas from your local alternative paper’s half-bright critic, but he also exudes defeat. He’s basically whining to the folks who voted Nas the winner. Takeover vs. Ether is a debate I won’t really get into, but I agree that Super Ugly’s awfully underrated.

  5. MAYNHOLUP Says:

    a-ha t-rock wit de “tiny arm”!!

  6. walkmasterflex Says:

    “This is one of those hip hop facts that most listeners are aware of, but still seems to shock someone every time it comes up in conversation.”

    guess i’m gonna turn in my rap music credentials and say i never knew this. that’s ridiculous dude is still a ridiculously well respected producer/dj in spite of that

  7. david Says:

    lets be real: jay vs nas was fabricated in a boardroom meeting.

  8. Hey Zeus Says:

    Can I see a video of the ‘lil arm dance’??

  9. Mike Says:

    ddddd DJ PAUL! “it’s my lil arm it doesn’t work” it must work cuz that motherfucker kills the production side of things and can rock some turntables something serious….

  10. TSF Says:

    Jay murked Nas on “The Gift and the Curse,” really revealing Nas’s Pac-lik schizophrenia “Prophesizing on your CDs and tapes/ Won’t break you a crumb off the little bit that he makes/ And this is with whom you wanna place your faith?/ I put dollars on mine/ Axe Columbine/ When the Twin Towers dropped I was th first in line.” And “Just cuz a n*gga wear a kufi it don’t mean that he bright/ Just cuz you don’t understand him it don’t mean that he nice/ It just means you don’t understand all the bullshit that he writes/ It is Oochie Wally Wally or is it One Mic?/ Is it Black Girl Lost or Shorty Owe You For Ice?” For me, those jabs had more thrust than anything in “Takeover” or “Super Ugly.” That being said, I also really loved Nas’s history of rap in the 90s on “Last Real N*gga Alive” even if it is a bit twisted.

  11. watta Says:

    all due respect but some1 smokin rocks 2 say jay ethered nas.. smh. super ugly was cute lmao thats it. but blueprint 2 was gawwbage. even jay knew and re released it as one disc. u forgettn tha stillmatic freestyle and last real nigga alive….

  12. MF POON Says:

    i think nas murked jay on ether harder than jay murked nas on takeover and i dont even like ether better than takeover

  13. no Says:

    Jay’s Blueprint 2 Nas diss was doomed by that Austin Powers accent on the hook. Unjammable.

    The Stillmatic Freestyle is one of the best Nas moments in the modern era.

  14. d. b. cooper Says:

    “Bruce couldn’t have taken it too personally though, as years later he would sign to Dre’s Thizz Ent. label.”

    “Ashowagon” is a very happy ending to any beef. Nas and Jay can only wish they had a song that good together.

  15. lick my ballsack Says:

    Diss tracks that center around how center rappers have legitimately fallen off in their rapping abilities > diss tracks that are fits of name calling, “dick sucking lips,” and pac homages.

  16. david Says:

    why all the pac hate?? jay and naz(and quite a few others) couldnt say and didnt say shit to him when he dissed them…..

  17. dj intro Says:

    is your mama in the kitchen cookin dogs or cats!!!

  18. KAMUS Says:

    “U jus can’t understand all tha bullshit that he writes”
    ————————————–
    dont that kinda mean ur dumb if u cant understand….some people dont understand lupe fiasco lyrics and i highly doubt people think that hes dumb. i see where jay was going wit that line tho..i think nas won with “ether” he just had 2many crazy lines for jay. then jay went to far wit “super ugly” u gotta leave kids and moms and baby moms out of it. they cant defend themselves…thru rap atleast. the whole pac big thing wasmore 1-sided if anything.maybe “who shot ya” and “juicy” was aimed at pac but u cant say. and as far as pac fuckin faith if u check a interview ray j did where he talks about failth being on pac’s lap while they were in the studio 1day then u might change ur mind!!

  19. demApples Says:

    SuperUgly was just that- he got Nas bad. But that line about just because you don’t understand him don’t make him nice is some bull****. That isn’t really who Nas is. But, wow, the rest of it- got him bad.

  20. demApples Says:

    Barbie arm comment notwithstanding, I’m disappointed nobody made use of the “my baby hand is scrawng” thing. Rappers lack focus.

  21. Stunt Says:

    If there was any question as to who won the Jay/Nas battle, it has certainly been settled by the grammar of those championing Esco.

  22. boosie & paris hilton a carmel sundae Says:

    “Yo Nas, Big and Pac didn’t like you man. So get off their dick.” – Mega

  23. neomerge Says:

    just got into T-Rock a couple days ago. He is really nice.

  24. no Says:

    “Yo Nas, Big and Pac didn’t like you man. So get off their dick.” – Mega

    ^^^^^^I’ve been thinking lately that if anything Cormega could have been major if he wasn’t so obsessed with Nas himself. It became the main thing he was known for after the 3rd or 4th diss track.

    Jay is guilty of the same shit btw, and I think Nas was right to check him on that ‘if I ain’t better than Big, I’m the closest one’.

    I still can’t believe NOBODY was recording it when Hov did his Tupac diss at the Apollo.

    The foulest shit of all was Mobb Deep releasing ‘drop a gem on em’ after Tupac died.

  25. de la Says:

    after Ether waz dropped Jay-Z didnt hav shit to come back wit, dats y he joined forces wit Naz

  26. de la Says:

    MOBB DEEP waz the only group dat did a track and a video, when the Dogg pound came to NYC and did “New York New York”

  27. boi-dan Says:

    Now this is bloggin….

    I heard a few Memphis boys say that Paul really, really, blamed God for his unfortunate arm and this is the reason he started with the devil worshiping.

  28. boi-dan Says:

    also, Pastor Troy said some disparaging words towards the deceased Kevin Miller on his debut album, that tops all of the above

  29. asciigod Says:

    Way late on this comment, but great post! This is the shit where your superdope knowledge really shines.

    Also, it seems I’d never heard Super Ugly before (or forgotten it in a drunken stupor). But damn, it’s not really all that. This is coming from someone who doesn’t like Ether all that much either.

    Wack battle. :\

  30. asciigod Says:

    Follow-up: That Mac Dre track is a gem. Coolio (the other one) gets a wicked flow on. Good shit for freestyling. Plus, that beat helps out.

  31. jzajustin Says:

    dj paul’s half brother lord infamous supposedly broke t-rock’s collarbone in a fight, as alluded to in “let’s start a riot”, i would have to think some of the reason behind that would be him making light of pauls baby arm. who needs both arms when you gotta crazy brother willin’ to do whatever, and if lord’s rhymes are even slightly any real indication of how he lives (some of which can be backed up by his documented actions, and criminal record) then he is one person I would not want to cross

    “livin’ psychopathically, scarecrow terror of tennessee” “lord, roll, BLAY!”

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